Hi Ash :) I really do not want to debate you on this....... I give you props for your determination and your efforts are appreciated in the community. I can garantee you though that if you lower timing once detonation occurs the temps will go up create a larger problem. I do agree with you that throwing more fuel in can bring temps down, But if you already run a conservative program going richer is not needed in a safety map because the det sensor does not work at wide open throttle. BTW since you have not answer the last emails I have sent you in recent months, I wondered if the product you still owe me is ready?